tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post761518246955089725..comments2023-12-27T14:54:22.671-08:00Comments on The Kew Continuum: The Let's All Make A Rainbow CrowdRichard Kewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10917359509462320976noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post-71518870263188535782007-03-15T06:50:00.000-07:002007-03-15T06:50:00.000-07:00I'm rather sick of rainbows myself, if only for th...I'm rather sick of rainbows myself, if only for the reason that the original divine promise they reveal, not to mention their actual beauty, has been drowned in a sea of puerile glurge. Between Precious Moments, Cursillo, and homosexuality, a symbol doesn't have a chance. I'm inclined to greet the paschal morn in a banker's grey suit.<BR/><BR/>And the truth that anyone can see in counting GC votes is that the Episcopal Church has been in the hands of right-thinking privileged liberals for a very long time now, and especially the House of Bishops. The image of LBGT activists pounding at the door of the establishment is just not true; indeed, the reaction to the various primate communiques on the part of the various homosexual lobbies is presumtive of their authority to dictate morality to the church. The Africans in particular are held to be a lot of backwards types who shouldn't dare to presume to express an opinion. They aren't against the establishment; they <I>are</I> the establishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post-64013544451120750642007-03-15T01:38:00.000-07:002007-03-15T01:38:00.000-07:00The main trouble with Fiona's view is that the pri...The main trouble with Fiona's view is that the primary ingredient in all of the modern study of Christianity that she harkens to is the notion that there is no such thing as a tendency for all human beings to err because of our relationship to the First Sin, given as the grasping sin of Adam and Eve. Indeed - to Fiona and to her scholars - people who have the modern liberal concept of "justice" are definitely not sinners with a particular viewpoint but saints who are opposed by "reactionaries" who - to Fiona - ARE probably the only "sinners" in this modern story.<BR/><BR/>In essence, Fiona's group insists they have the right and the means to re-interpret the whole revelation of God out of existance, rather than letting that revelation INTERPRET US now as well as every person who has lived or ever will live.<BR/><BR/>Paul W.<BR/>former Episcopalian,<BR/> now Free MethodistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post-85195835240618633212007-03-14T08:27:00.000-07:002007-03-14T08:27:00.000-07:00I have waiting for several days to see what other ...I have waiting for several days to see what other responses there might be, and am tempted to say that I rest my case!<BR/><BR/>However, to Fiona I say that having had a long ministry I have a long memory. Over the past 40 years I have watched the church being told to stop being so old-fashioned. What is fascinating is that what was cutting edge like Hamilton, Altizer, Harvey Cox, and company, in the sixties, or liberation theology in the seventies and eary eighties, and other movements, is now yawningly dated, often irrelevant, and almost forgotten.<BR/><BR/>I would also say that I have tried to keep up with my reading and study over the last forty years, and when it comes to the sexuality issues I have not heard the objections of orthodox and catholic Christians being adequately answered. In fact, I would say that the left is not even listening to the objections we have.<BR/><BR/>To Linda in Austin, I respond that I am making an observation, hardly stirring the pot just making an observation about something that seems a frivilous response to an important situation. <BR/><BR/>I have been involved in this discussion for a long time, and I have attempted to look at every side of what is being presented, and I have to honestly say that I do not think the left has yet even begun to adequately and intellectually join the debate.Richard Kewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917359509462320976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post-1970879702256385432007-03-13T03:42:00.000-07:002007-03-13T03:42:00.000-07:00Look, it's not a demonstration... Where did you ge...Look, it's not a demonstration... Where did you get that idea? It certainly is not on the web site, nor is it the intention of the organizers. I don't know why those who won't be participating keep calling it a demonstration. It's not that.<BR/><BR/>What is childish is that allegedly grown-up people get themselves so swivited about what jewelery item someone else might wear. <BR/><BR/>Maybe you just get off on stirring the pot, I don't know. But, don't you think that just for the remainder of Lent we could take the PB's advice and believe the best about one another?<BR/><BR/>Linda McMillan<BR/>AustinLindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04662429826507775390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post-81357484922512124472007-03-12T19:28:00.000-07:002007-03-12T19:28:00.000-07:00Richard, fiona (or flona--name partially covered b...Richard, fiona (or flona--name partially covered by other text) perfectly illustrates your perspective. Thank you for your solid work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10440952.post-38208998560010827462007-03-12T13:33:00.000-07:002007-03-12T13:33:00.000-07:00The Primate's Communique wasn't a theological stat...The Primate's Communique wasn't a theological statement. It was a political statement asking for political action and therefore must be responded to as such.<BR/><BR/>100 years of Biblical criticism and over 30 years of theological papers and books undergird breaking down the walls of bigotry and prejudice (that you call orthodoxy and tradition) <BR/><BR/>Old sexual purity codes, especially those concerning variations in sexual orientation, that have been used to justify everything from burning people at the stake to denying the sacraments and bishops invading one another's turf have been examined theologically, Biblically, medically, psychologically, politically and sociologically and found wanting. Time for the church to catch up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com